Help, damper rod removal. Valving.
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Help, damper rod removal. Valving.
Alright guys, how do I get the damper rod out of the cartridge? There are no wrench flats on the "piston nut" like the KYB disassembly instructions say. Does the top of the cartridge have to come off? Supposidly these are 1997 KX125 forks.
These are the cheap ebay forks I go that need a rebuild, you can see by the pictures how nasty the oil was.
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what about that flat part on the top of the cartridge (left of the pic)? Can you unscrew it?
Does the "piston nut" turn in any way?
nevermind just read your next post. Good job!
Does the "piston nut" turn in any way?
nevermind just read your next post. Good job!
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Yea, it came right off when I drilled out the 4 stakes.
Here is the stock valving I found. I am pretty sure it is stock because the swaged nuts were in place. I am going to take the other one apart to double check the order in case I screwed it up.
No bladders to be found. Maybe they are from a 96?
Base valve
nut
cup washer
spring
25mm washer
collar
piston
6X 24mm
2x 22
20
18
14
16
11
2x 18 thick
cartridge valving
nut
washer
4x 11
14
17
20
15
23
3x 27
piston
4x 27
26
24
22
20
18
16
2 x 14
thick 25
collar
Here is the stock valving I found. I am pretty sure it is stock because the swaged nuts were in place. I am going to take the other one apart to double check the order in case I screwed it up.
No bladders to be found. Maybe they are from a 96?
Base valve
nut
cup washer
spring
25mm washer
collar
piston
6X 24mm
2x 22
20
18
14
16
11
2x 18 thick
cartridge valving
nut
washer
4x 11
14
17
20
15
23
3x 27
piston
4x 27
26
24
22
20
18
16
2 x 14
thick 25
collar
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Well, I got them cleaned up, now time to figure out the valving.
After doing some reading, it looks like I got a set of KX triples with yz forks???
Any suggestions on changing the above valving stacks? I weigh 195.
I already have a set of 2001's on my bike now, these forks are going to be my learn how to fool with valving set. I am going to make a custom adapter for my axle so that I can easily bolt them up to the 2001 triples and axle (I hopre anyways).
After doing some reading, it looks like I got a set of KX triples with yz forks???
Any suggestions on changing the above valving stacks? I weigh 195.
I already have a set of 2001's on my bike now, these forks are going to be my learn how to fool with valving set. I am going to make a custom adapter for my axle so that I can easily bolt them up to the 2001 triples and axle (I hopre anyways).
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I don't see much low speed rebound. That is a beefy HSC stack but no transition into a progressive LS rebound, unless the single thick 25 is it being separated by the 2 14's which wouldn't be very progressive. The LSC is rather beefy too.
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Yes, removing those would soften it up, which is usually what is needed for a woods set-up. It is at least a good place to start. I was wondering how these forks will react to a hard high speed compression hit beins it has what looks like a limited HSC stack. It appears it won't be overly stiff. Try it and run the clickers through the adjustments and see what you get. That new stack could be good for a rocky area like Walker or Reiter. Oil choice and height will play a big role in the overall feeling too.
EDIT: You could run them as is and give it a thorough pounding on a familiar trail with good corners and roots and rocks, then tear em apart and do a change. That way you have a realistic objective baseline. After all, they are a spare pair.
EDIT: You could run them as is and give it a thorough pounding on a familiar trail with good corners and roots and rocks, then tear em apart and do a change. That way you have a realistic objective baseline. After all, they are a spare pair.
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Reiter is like the best torture place I've ever seen. Especially that rocky trail that goes way up to the look-out behind Index. Yes I would at least take out some of the LSC which is obviously too stiff. You could come down that Index trail at say...30 mph and do some real good HSC tests. But call the air-evac chopper first so they can be waitin fer ya! And make out your will before you come down.
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Curious........
Re: '..it came apart fine after drilled out the stakes with a ground flat drill.'
Hand held drill or drill press?
A drill bit that you GROUND flat? NOT an end mill?
Not much of a drill bit if you can easily grind it...is it?
Re: '..it came apart fine after drilled out the stakes with a ground flat drill.'
Hand held drill or drill press?
A drill bit that you GROUND flat? NOT an end mill?
Not much of a drill bit if you can easily grind it...is it?
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I used a hand held drill (no drillpress or milling machine at home). Only drilling in a little bit, I started with a full 3/16" drill, then stepped up to a full 7/32," then flattened out the pocket with my ground 15/64" and went deep enough to remove the stake. I think 6mm is bigger than needed from my oberservations, I think 4mm would work. 6mm end mills are kind of hard to come by unless you order one.
Well, I used a die grinder with an abrasive wheel, no drill bit is safe from a high speed die grinder!
Well, I used a die grinder with an abrasive wheel, no drill bit is safe from a high speed die grinder!
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To digress some...
It needs to be a stone particularly used for saw chains? Not just an abrasive wheel..or cut-off disk?
It needs to be a stone particularly used for saw chains? Not just an abrasive wheel..or cut-off disk?
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