RB'd 220 CEK vs DEK Needle Differences

[AtomicKDX]

I have a RB modded 2003 220 (carb and head). Till now I have the CEK needle. I have a DEK in my desk here. Was wondering what difference would I get by switching to the DEK needle? What are your experiences with the CEK vs DEK? Is one preferred over the other according to riding style?

[scheckaet]

one has more of "hit" like the power gets on hard, fun for awhile but not woods friendly. I prefer the smooth delivery of the cek. Try it you'll see which one you like best

EDIT: not sure which one is which, but I know I have the smoother one in my carb might actually be the dek that's smoother...

[chopper_guy]

I ran a CEK in my 200 all last season. Love the hit but for my skill level a bit difficult to control in the woods. I have some trouble finding a happy medium between wheel spin and looping out. Great in open areas like fields though. Have a DEK in my hand now but haven't had a chance to install/evaluate. Probably a month or two way.....I'm a fair weather rider and we're sitting under 30" of snow now.

[jbowens2401]

The DEK is the smoother of the two needles and would probably be better for woods riding. I've heard others say that the CEK will really wear you out over a long day of riding. I guess it depends on your riding style.

[AtomicKDX]

Is this just differences in taper or something else? I've noticed the the CEK gives you a boost/hit some where between 1/3 and 1/2 of WOT.

The DEK is the smoother of the two needles and would probably be better for woods riding. I've heard others say that the CEK will really wear you out over a long day of riding. I guess it depends on your riding style.

[jbowens2401]

I'm pretty sure the difference is in the taper of the needle...you may want to do a search b/c there a some very detailed posts on the differences in these two needles.

[Tomm9050]

Would the DEK work in a non-modded carb?

[jbowens2401]

The CEK and DEK work best with a # 7 slide. I know the stock 220 carb doesn't have a # 7...I think it's a #5. That being said, both the CEK and DEK work best in the RB modified carbs.

[Julien D]

Right, and CEL/DEL for a non modded carb, and CGK for 89-94 carb.

Sound about right?

[SteveWR450f]

Anyone know a good place to order a DEK needle?

[scheckaet]

ron black is the place

[jbowens2401]

Before I found out about RB Designs, I ordered all of my jets and needles from Sudco.

[Tomm9050]

CGK for 89-94 carb.

What's the difference between the CGK and a 1173 needle

Thanks!