Wiseco vs. Pro-X
- Indawoods
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Wiseco vs. Pro-X
Has anyone compared the running characteristics of a KDX running the pistons side by side?
The thing that sticks out is that the Wiseco piston will flip faster, greater R's faster.
This got me to thinking about 4 strokes vs. 2 strokes and their characteristics.
I'm thinking if I increase the compression by modding the head and run a Wiseco piston.
I should have a pretty grunty bike since the only issue I have ever had with the KDX is that when in a dire situation alot of times the R's don't come up fast enough to put me in the powerband to get out of the situation. I know I may be losing flywheel effect but that's never really been an issue...
I don't think anyone has really touched on this subject before in so many words but I would like to get your take on it...
The thing that sticks out is that the Wiseco piston will flip faster, greater R's faster.
This got me to thinking about 4 strokes vs. 2 strokes and their characteristics.
I'm thinking if I increase the compression by modding the head and run a Wiseco piston.
I should have a pretty grunty bike since the only issue I have ever had with the KDX is that when in a dire situation alot of times the R's don't come up fast enough to put me in the powerband to get out of the situation. I know I may be losing flywheel effect but that's never really been an issue...
I don't think anyone has really touched on this subject before in so many words but I would like to get your take on it...
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I have a brandy new 'C' Pro-x KDX200 piston. If anyone has a brandy new Wiseco, a weight comparison would be a good thing.
It would have to include rings, pin and clips. Not bearing..cuz it's the same.
The whole idea of 'faster' is going to depend on weight (a lot of other unknowns assumed to be the same..maybe they aren't).
IMO..carburetion has a LOT to do with 'grunt'. In no case will you get 4S output..again, imo. I've followed a CRF250..probably 3rd gear...about 10mph..twists a bit of gas and throws a roost. My bike runs very well...but it don't do that!
Maybe I'm missing the point. If so, sorry.........
It would have to include rings, pin and clips. Not bearing..cuz it's the same.
The whole idea of 'faster' is going to depend on weight (a lot of other unknowns assumed to be the same..maybe they aren't).
IMO..carburetion has a LOT to do with 'grunt'. In no case will you get 4S output..again, imo. I've followed a CRF250..probably 3rd gear...about 10mph..twists a bit of gas and throws a roost. My bike runs very well...but it don't do that!
Maybe I'm missing the point. If so, sorry.........
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I realize I am not going to get a 4 stroke outta my 2, just wanting to be able to hit the powerband as soon as I need too while climbing hills and such... not over the top R's or anything ... just right where it needs to be.... in the powerband.
Under a load, it seems it takes a second or two to get there... I need it sooner. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree and just getting the compression up will do it for me.
Under a load, it seems it takes a second or two to get there... I need it sooner. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree and just getting the compression up will do it for me.
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I'm working up to it!
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I'm sure the $450 would be well spent... just want to work up to it for the experience. One step at a time, then I can know the effects of each modification and not feel that I missed anything.
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After the head mod, I may try the tolulene or race gas... good idea Fuzz...
I do have an extra cylinder to send off for the 225 kit. Just not the cash to send with it.
I do have an extra cylinder to send off for the 225 kit. Just not the cash to send with it.
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"People ate cows a thousand years ago for the same reason we eat them now. Cause they are easy to catch.We're not savages,we're just lazy. A cheetah could taste like chocolate heroin. But will never know. Those bastards are fast!!! "
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"People ate cows a thousand years ago for the same reason we eat them now. Cause they are easy to catch.We're not savages,we're just lazy. A cheetah could taste like chocolate heroin. But will never know. Those bastards are fast!!! "
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Inda:
Try the toluene before the mods to improve the low end grunt. After Rons recommendation I am sold on the toluene. I mixed a couple of gallons without the toluene to do some putting around with my son on his XR 80R. My bike was a different machine without the mix. 10 percent works well for me.
Try the toluene before the mods to improve the low end grunt. After Rons recommendation I am sold on the toluene. I mixed a couple of gallons without the toluene to do some putting around with my son on his XR 80R. My bike was a different machine without the mix. 10 percent works well for me.
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Dave and I have touted toluene (after Ron suggested using it) in the past. I don't know who has bothered to even try it.
The difference it makes is remarkable. I run 5% and am very happy with the results.
A different machine. Yes. Absolutely. Indeed. Yeah. ...buddy!
The difference it makes is remarkable. I run 5% and am very happy with the results.
A different machine. Yes. Absolutely. Indeed. Yeah. ...buddy!
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As Carvr said, "The difference is remarkable".
I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
The only drawback I have found is the guy riding behind you gets a good buzz from the exhaust It does smell pretty bad. No ill effects on the engine or anything else as far as I can see. I have used it since last spring.
I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
The only drawback I have found is the guy riding behind you gets a good buzz from the exhaust It does smell pretty bad. No ill effects on the engine or anything else as far as I can see. I have used it since last spring.
At age 4 success is . . not peeing in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . having friends.
At age 16 success is having a drivers license.
At age 35 success is having money.
At age 50 success is . . having money.
At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
At age 75 success is . having friends.
At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . having friends.
At age 16 success is having a drivers license.
At age 35 success is having money.
At age 50 success is . . having money.
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As Carvr said, "The difference is remarkable".
I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
The only drawback I have found is the guy riding behind you gets a good buzz from the exhaust It does smell pretty bad. No ill effects on the engine or anything else as far as I can see. I have used it since last spring.
I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
The only drawback I have found is the guy riding behind you gets a good buzz from the exhaust It does smell pretty bad. No ill effects on the engine or anything else as far as I can see. I have used it since last spring.
At age 4 success is . . not peeing in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . having friends.
At age 16 success is having a drivers license.
At age 35 success is having money.
At age 50 success is . . having money.
At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
At age 75 success is . having friends.
At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . having friends.
At age 16 success is having a drivers license.
At age 35 success is having money.
At age 50 success is . . having money.
At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
At age 75 success is . having friends.
At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.
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As Carvr said, "The difference is remarkable".
I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
The only drawback I have found is the guy riding behind you gets a good buzz from the exhaust It does smell pretty bad. No ill effects on the engine or anything else as far as I can see. I have used it since last spring.
I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
The only drawback I have found is the guy riding behind you gets a good buzz from the exhaust It does smell pretty bad. No ill effects on the engine or anything else as far as I can see. I have used it since last spring.
At age 4 success is . . not peeing in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . having friends.
At age 16 success is having a drivers license.
At age 35 success is having money.
At age 50 success is . . having money.
At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
At age 75 success is . having friends.
At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . having friends.
At age 16 success is having a drivers license.
At age 35 success is having money.
At age 50 success is . . having money.
At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
At age 75 success is . having friends.
At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.
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Thats the reason I haven't tried it yet. All the bathtub meth cookers keep the local businesses from stocking it. If I can find some on a shelf someday i'll give it a try.dave04kdx wrote: I get mine at Ace Hardware. It's kind of hard to find around here because the crankers use it to make meth
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