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Postby Dekon » 11:21 am Jul 27 2012

Looking for a little help, I have the service manual and searched on here, but can not figure a few things.

1. The jutter spring, which way does it go, up toward the hub or down toward the friction plate. Also, when I took the clutch apart, there was no jutter spring seat, do I need it?

2. The manual shows a washer between the clutch pusher and the bearing, mine did not have it. Do I need it?

3. It is not very clear in the manual, but should there be a washer between the clutch nut and the clutch basket or does it go between the basket and the back of the clutch wheel(that is what the manual calls it, it is the plate that goes under all the plates)?

I had every bagged and labeled, but it has been a few weeks since I took it all apart.
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Re: Clutch questions.

Postby canyncarvr » 12:33 pm Jul 30 2012

Well? Where's all the answers!!?? :shh:

1. The 'jutter' spring.

It's conical in shape. The wide diameter is toward the INside of the bike...toward the plate. (see !!! below)

1b. Do you need the seat?

The correct answer is, 'Yes.' The two parts do go together. Can you put the clutch together without the seat? Sure.


2. The washer.

That is a shim that is used to correctly place the activation lever's movement. Maybe you need it, maybe you don't. IF your lever correctly travels through the 90ยบ position as indicated in the manual without the shim, you don't need it.

That is considering everything else to be correct. If the top of the lever is sloppy in the cover, to shim or not to shim is not the question. If the clutch cable, the cable housing, the clutch lever pivot is worn, same thing: Use of the shim (or not) isn't going to be correctly indicated by the movement of the lever arm.

The more parts you remove from the pack (the spring-and-seat you mention for example), the more likely you are to have 'alignment' problems (with the lever angle).

3. Washers

There are TWO washers: One behind (goes on the shaft first) the basket, one goes IN the basket.

As per the manual:


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!!! Now that I'm thinking about it...I'm unsure of that spring orientation. Truth is, I've had to look it up quite a few times. There IS an orientation graphic in the manual. I'll check my manual tonight, edit this post if the above is incorrect.
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Postby scheckaet » 01:15 pm Jul 30 2012

warning, that 4th washer has the tendency to be very sneaky and get out of place while installing the clutch, do make sure it is still where it should be and that it didn't slide behind the clutch.
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Postby Dekon » 01:22 pm Jul 30 2012

After looking at it this weekend, the jutter spring seat was stuck to the clutch plate. It is so thin, I did not see it when I took it apart. I also put the washer inside the basket; I realized when I put the clutch nut on it was larger then shaft where the nut goes. And thanks for the info on the washer(shim). Right now I don't know if I need it as my gasket set has not come in yet, so I have not reassembled the motor.
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Postby canyncarvr » 01:50 pm Jul 30 2012

Dekon wrote:After looking at it this weekend, the jutter spring seat was stuck to the clutch plate. It is so thin, I did not see it when I took it apart.



Dang. I missed a chance to be stellarly magical in my mystical ability. :shock: My first thought was to say, 'Check for that seat to be stuck to the plate.'

Then I thought, 'Folks don't like getting nitpicked on the obvious....', so, I didn't pick that particular nit.

Everytime I pass up the chance to belabor what seems plain, something gets missed. But, everytime I do beat what seems plain dang near to death (soas to NOT miss it)..someone will have something to say about the effusiveness of it all.

...just musing... Or whining. Take your pick! :neutral:

That shim is used as an adjustment piece. As an example: When I replaced my OEM plates with the XR 400 types (Vesrah brand), I no longer needed that shim.


Sounds like you're on the right track.

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Re: Clutch questions.

Postby kawagumby » 02:37 pm Jul 30 2012

You might be interested in this:http://www.hondaatvforums.net/forums/honda-rancher/21879-judder-spring-what-does-do.html

Lot's of people have left out the judder spring with no harmful results - even when reinstalling the stock plates. Let us know how you fare if you choose to do that.
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Re: Clutch questions.

Postby canyncarvr » 03:19 pm Jul 30 2012

kawagumby wrote:Lot's of people have left out the judder spring with no harmful results - even when reinstalling the stock plates. Let us know how you fare if you choose to do that.



Agreed.

I didn't want to get into a 'Which oil is best?' type kerfluffle. Guaranteed some would say leaving them out makes no difference whatsoever, others would be equally polarized on the other end of the argument.

As in the link noted, XR plates in the KDX get you the same situation. They are 'too big' to accept the OEM judder spring, so you are left to decide whether to use all XR plates, or put one of the OEM plates in to allow a re-install of the spring and seat.

I chose to put an OEM plate in and use the spring. Given a choice of 'good' clutch workings and 'better', I'll choose better. That spring is going to help release that last friction plate from the pressure plate..and that seemed like a 'better' idea to me.

Take your pick!

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Postby scheckaet » 03:27 pm Jul 30 2012

what is that judder spring y'all talkin about?
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Re: Clutch questions.

Postby canyncarvr » 04:58 pm Jul 30 2012

Seen in the above embedded pic...the 16007 part...

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Postby Dekon » 07:31 pm Jul 30 2012

Canyncarvr, I do not mind being nitpicked, that's how you learn. Nitpick away, I wear big boy pants.
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Postby scheckaet » 09:10 pm Jul 30 2012

oh THAT! I called that: "the big ass washer that goes behind the clutch doohiky" :lol:
is the flat one going 1st? I can't recall what I did when I put my clutch back together. :?
Whatever I did, it worked this week end.
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