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Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby KDXjack » 09:52 pm Jul 26 2012

I was just thinking about this and wondered what you guys thought.

Is a RB Head/carb, fork conversion and all the basic mods most of us are doing making the KDX like a KX with a bigger flywheel weight?

My question: Is the KDX still a better woods bike after all the mods? Or would a guy be better off making a KX/YZ/CR/RM woods/trail friendlier with more flywheel weight and some suspension work? :hmm:
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby diymirage » 09:56 pm Jul 26 2012

ive noticed the KX forks make my KDX less of a woods machine...at least untill i learn how to properly steer with the throttle im really hurtin with the larger turn radius

on the other hand, the pipe i put on makes it much more powerfull (which is good) and im sure the RB mods will have the same effect

as for your question on modding a KX/YZ/CR/RM into a trails bike, i would not think so
with those bikes you are converting MX bikes into a woods bike, with a KDX you are improving a woods bike
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Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby Jason » 09:59 pm Jul 26 2012

It really depends on the rider and terrain. For long rides, it is hard to beat the KDX Kouch to sit on!
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Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby B737driver » 10:43 pm Jul 26 2012

I've ridden a KX 250 with all the woods mods (flywheel weight, ims tank, steering damper, softened suspension, etc). Fun, but I would take my KDX with the rb mods and KX forks any day over the KX. The power delivery is just different. You can go as fast if not faster on a KDX, and it's easier to ride. This is my analysis for tight woods and/or single track.

As a former mx'er I will say that If the track opens up and your dealing with burns, whoops, doubles, etc, give me the KX.

I prefer to make a slower bike faster vs making a fast bike slower. And then there's the comfort in the saddle. Sometimes I forget, then I switch rides with a friend and it quickly becomes evident that I appreciate the seat foam on my KDX.

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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby kawagumby » 11:28 pm Jul 26 2012

diymirage wrote:ive noticed the KX forks make my KDX less of a woods machine... im really hurtin with the larger turn radius



The KX forks don't change the steering - they need to be setup for off-road with the right springs for your weight, the valving changed for offroad, and the correct positioning in the triple clamps. The USD forks on my bikes greatly improved the steering as there is much less flex and the front end stays put where you want it to. If you are having more trouble steering raise the forks more in the triples until you find the sweet spot, but first make sure the springs are right for you - too stiff will make the bike harder to turn.
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby scheckaet » 11:32 pm Jul 26 2012

amen.
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby SS109 » 02:49 am Jul 27 2012

kawagumby wrote:The KX forks don't change the steering - they need to be setup for off-road with the right springs for your weight, the valving changed for offroad, and the correct positioning in the triple clamps. The USD forks on my bikes greatly improved the steering as there is much less flex and the front end stays put where you want it to. If you are having more trouble steering raise the forks more in the triples until you find the sweet spot, but first make sure the springs are right for you - too stiff will make the bike harder to turn.

Yep! My KDX turns on a dime and gives you 9 cents in change back! :mrgreen: Seriously, the KX fork mod was one of the best mods I have done to my bike. It tracks better through rough turns and when setting up for a turn in the braking bumps. When blasting fire roads and hitting large G-outs and squared edges the KX forks just suck it up without bottoming. Of course, I do have the correct springs for my weight, they have been professionally revalved, I bought bar risers so that I could raise the forks in the triple clamp to get the front/rear balance just right, and I have played with my clickers quite a bit to dial it all in. It was a lot of work but it was worth every second and penny put into it.

To the OP, read my first response in this thread: http://kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=12546 If my bike can hang with all of those it shows what the KX forks and the standard mods can do for the KDX. I still haven't even installed the Jaguar ignition box yet and it is supposed to be an improvement where you can feel the difference! Can't wait to try it out! :mrgreen:
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby diymirage » 05:43 am Jul 27 2012

kawagumby wrote:The KX forks don't change the steering - they need to be setup for off-road with the right springs for your weight, the valving changed for offroad, and the correct positioning in the triple clamps. The USD forks on my bikes greatly improved the steering as there is much less flex and the front end stays put where you want it to. If you are having more trouble steering raise the forks more in the triples until you find the sweet spot, but first make sure the springs are right for you - too stiff will make the bike harder to turn.



maybe im just too slow but by modifying the steering stops to keep the KX forks from hitting the tank dont i take away sharpness in the steering?
(like i said, once i get faster and used to steering with the throttle it may not be an issue anymore but as far as turning the front wheel sideways there is less room to turn)
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Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby KarlP » 06:43 am Jul 27 2012

maybe im just too slow but by modifying the steering stops to keep the KX forks from hitting the tank dont i take away sharpness in the steering?


True, but that will mostly only be an issue when turning your bike around in the garage.
My old KDX with KX forks turned great. I was in no way hampered by a reduced turning radius.
The hybrid has a much greater turning radius than the KDX did. That took some getting used to.
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby KDXrider1989 » 07:30 am Jul 27 2012

Stick with the KDX. It's easier to control in the woods/trails with its smoother power delivery and lower seat height and shorter wheelbase. It's a lot more comfy too
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby SS109 » 02:06 pm Jul 27 2012

diymirage wrote:maybe im just too slow but by modifying the steering stops to keep the KX forks from hitting the tank dont i take away sharpness in the steering?
(like i said, once i get faster and used to steering with the throttle it may not be an issue anymore but as far as turning the front wheel sideways there is less room to turn)

If you think about, how often do you hit the steering stop when turning? Unless it is a hike-a-bike technical trail you should hardly ever notice the reduced turning radius. Remember, motorcycles are meant to be leaned over in a turn! :mrgreen:
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby scheckaet » 02:18 pm Jul 27 2012

+1
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Re: Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby diymirage » 03:35 pm Jul 27 2012

SS109 wrote:If you think about, how often do you hit the steering stop when turning? Unless it is a hike-a-bike technical trail you should hardly ever notice the reduced turning radius. Remember, motorcycles are meant to be leaned over in a turn! :mrgreen:



oh i've leaned this bike over plenty

and it get heavier and harder to pick up everytime :oops:



like i said, i just need to get more skillfull at it
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Mod a KDX or make a Kx more woody

Postby frankenschwinn » 12:14 am Jul 29 2012

I would put the kdx motor up against any 250 in the woods. The chassis? Not so much. Hybrid beats both hands down.
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