KDX200 Strange Noise
-
- Member
- Posts: 4
- Joined: 06:32 am Aug 03 2011
- Country:
- Location: South Africa
KDX200 Strange Noise
Good Morning
I am a new member from Durban, South Africa. I recently aquired myself a very good condition 2006 KDX 200. The bike is stock standard and runs like a dream. Its been meticulously maintained and is as clean as the day it left the dealership in 2008.
Yesterday I took it for its 1st proper ride, performance is great considering the stock pipe and the handling is superb. However, after about 30 minutes of playing around I started to hear a strange sound coming from the motor area, its hard to describe but I'd have to say its closer to a whistle that anything else. The 1st time I heard it was while out on the enduro circuit and it went away the moment I got back onto the powerband but returned after another few hundred meters of slow riding.
I made a small clip of the sound as it is with the bike idling and blipping the throttle, that can be found here
[youtube][/youtube]
Once the bike is cold again, the sound is gone.
My gut tells me thats air being sucked in somewhere, the doomsayers are saying its a dry bearing but I have my doubts.
If anyone has any suggestions or ideas as to what it could be, I would appreciate the input.
Please note that there was no performance loss whatsoever and no telltale knocking to suggest mechanical failure. The magneto is perfect and the gearbox oil level is spot on. Compression is perfect too.
Any idea's ?
Regards
Dave
I am a new member from Durban, South Africa. I recently aquired myself a very good condition 2006 KDX 200. The bike is stock standard and runs like a dream. Its been meticulously maintained and is as clean as the day it left the dealership in 2008.
Yesterday I took it for its 1st proper ride, performance is great considering the stock pipe and the handling is superb. However, after about 30 minutes of playing around I started to hear a strange sound coming from the motor area, its hard to describe but I'd have to say its closer to a whistle that anything else. The 1st time I heard it was while out on the enduro circuit and it went away the moment I got back onto the powerband but returned after another few hundred meters of slow riding.
I made a small clip of the sound as it is with the bike idling and blipping the throttle, that can be found here
[youtube][/youtube]
Once the bike is cold again, the sound is gone.
My gut tells me thats air being sucked in somewhere, the doomsayers are saying its a dry bearing but I have my doubts.
If anyone has any suggestions or ideas as to what it could be, I would appreciate the input.
Please note that there was no performance loss whatsoever and no telltale knocking to suggest mechanical failure. The magneto is perfect and the gearbox oil level is spot on. Compression is perfect too.
Any idea's ?
Regards
Dave
- Mr. Wibbens
- KDXRider.net
- Posts: 4884
- Joined: 02:57 am Nov 07 2004
- Country:
- Location: Playing in the Poison Oak
- Contact:
Sounds kinda metallic
definitely something that spins
definitely something that spins
Warning! This member tends to use sarcasm as a regular form of communication. If a post seems offensive, before you panic and fly off the handle, re-read the post and imagine it being said with a sideways grin.
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
- rbates9
- Supporting Member II
- Posts: 3164
- Joined: 06:07 pm Apr 27 2010
- Country:
- Location: UPSTATE New York
-
- Member
- Posts: 4
- Joined: 06:32 am Aug 03 2011
- Country:
- Location: South Africa
ok, so i took the plug out and checked for any noises by turning the motor by hand using the magneto. engine is as smooth as butter, dropped 2 caps of 2 stroke oil in the plug hole and turned the motor over with the kick starter about 20 times or so.
the only odd sound i heard was the sucking sound from the carb when the inlet opens and a little rubber sounding squeak from the mag area. is there a rubber seal behind the magneto cover somewhere, maybe to seal it from the crankcase? i dont have access to a parts list to see if it could be a seal that maybe needs some grease.
engine starts and runs sweet, no noise after 15 minutes of idling and blipping ....
any further ideas?
im thinking i should ride it hard till it shows up again, then ride it harder till it goes away or breaks. that way i can identify the problem :)
the only odd sound i heard was the sucking sound from the carb when the inlet opens and a little rubber sounding squeak from the mag area. is there a rubber seal behind the magneto cover somewhere, maybe to seal it from the crankcase? i dont have access to a parts list to see if it could be a seal that maybe needs some grease.
engine starts and runs sweet, no noise after 15 minutes of idling and blipping ....
any further ideas?
im thinking i should ride it hard till it shows up again, then ride it harder till it goes away or breaks. that way i can identify the problem :)
- scheckaet
- KDXRider.net
- Posts: 3740
- Joined: 12:09 am Nov 10 2005
- Country:
- Location: edmond oklahoma
here is the fiche
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26 ... del/KDX200
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26 ... del/KDX200
02 KX 200 hybrid: RB head and carb
Sold ☹ DRZ 400 SM![Super :supz:](./images/smilies/icon_super.gif)
bike build: http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... ike+stable
bike profile http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 0709#30709
newb info: http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 57#p117919
jetting guide: http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 105&t=1156
![prayer :prayer:](./images/smilies/icon_pray.gif)
Sold ☹ DRZ 400 SM
![Super :supz:](./images/smilies/icon_super.gif)
bike build: http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... ike+stable
bike profile http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 0709#30709
newb info: http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 57#p117919
jetting guide: http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 105&t=1156
- Mr. Wibbens
- KDXRider.net
- Posts: 4884
- Joined: 02:57 am Nov 07 2004
- Country:
- Location: Playing in the Poison Oak
- Contact:
maybe just wear ear plugs
Warning! This member tends to use sarcasm as a regular form of communication. If a post seems offensive, before you panic and fly off the handle, re-read the post and imagine it being said with a sideways grin.
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
- Mr. Wibbens
- KDXRider.net
- Posts: 4884
- Joined: 02:57 am Nov 07 2004
- Country:
- Location: Playing in the Poison Oak
- Contact:
Warning! This member tends to use sarcasm as a regular form of communication. If a post seems offensive, before you panic and fly off the handle, re-read the post and imagine it being said with a sideways grin.
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
- Julien D
- KDXRider.net
- Posts: 5858
- Joined: 07:53 pm Nov 07 2008
- Country: USA
- Contact:
-
- Member
- Posts: 4
- Joined: 06:32 am Aug 03 2011
- Country:
- Location: South Africa
Ok, so the general consensus is crank bearings. the obvious question is, do I ride it until it fails then open this pristine motor up or do I tear it apart now ?
I have no idea how a crank bearing will fail and what will happen when it does but it does not seem like it would be as catastrophic as a big end bearing failing for example.
I'm going to take the carb off this weekend and check the reed block etc. just to be sure and I'm putting it through a heat cycle tonight so I can drain the gearbox oil. I'm not sure what oil is in there but its green in color and seems a little thin to me so I think I'll change it and then re-evaluate if the noise comes back.
So far its been just under a week and no sign of it again... very frustrating.
Update:
Here's a small clip of the sound I heard while spinning the magneto by hand with no plug in. you can see from the clip that this motor is clean enough to use in a hospital so I'm really not too excited about opening it up :(
[youtube][/youtube]
I have no idea how a crank bearing will fail and what will happen when it does but it does not seem like it would be as catastrophic as a big end bearing failing for example.
I'm going to take the carb off this weekend and check the reed block etc. just to be sure and I'm putting it through a heat cycle tonight so I can drain the gearbox oil. I'm not sure what oil is in there but its green in color and seems a little thin to me so I think I'll change it and then re-evaluate if the noise comes back.
So far its been just under a week and no sign of it again... very frustrating.
Update:
Here's a small clip of the sound I heard while spinning the magneto by hand with no plug in. you can see from the clip that this motor is clean enough to use in a hospital so I'm really not too excited about opening it up :(
[youtube][/youtube]
- Slick_Nick
- Supporting Member
- Posts: 1675
- Joined: 10:06 pm Oct 22 2009
- Country: Canada
- Location: Calgary, Alberta
- Contact:
- Mr. Wibbens
- KDXRider.net
- Posts: 4884
- Joined: 02:57 am Nov 07 2004
- Country:
- Location: Playing in the Poison Oak
- Contact:
If its a crank bearing, It's already failed
Seals will be next
If you don't catch it time you could seize the cylinder too
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Seals will be next
If you don't catch it time you could seize the cylinder too
Warning! This member tends to use sarcasm as a regular form of communication. If a post seems offensive, before you panic and fly off the handle, re-read the post and imagine it being said with a sideways grin.
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
((Bike Profile))
((Pics))
FIVE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE DONUT UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS
-
- Member
- Posts: 1
- Joined: 10:45 am Oct 05 2015
- Country:
Re: KDX200 Strange Noise
Hi Stefan here from pretoria south africa with the same sound after a full moter rebuild.
I know its a old topic but what happend in the end?
I know its a old topic but what happend in the end?
-
- Supporting Member II
- Posts: 925
- Joined: 10:00 am Jan 04 2014
- Country:
Re: KDX200 Strange Noise
check your up/down/in/out/front/back play at the flywheel. what that last video shows sounded like a slapping piston, loose flywheel, sheared key, or worst case, bad bearings.skim wrote:Hi Stefan here from pretoria south africa with the same sound after a full moter rebuild.
I know its a old topic but what happend in the end?