Getting it in neutral while running and Driven shifter

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 02:37 pm Feb 09 2011

Okay, I've seen enough threads to know that KDXes will likely have some clutch drag (mine does), but I simply cannot get mine in neutral when in gear AFTER coming to a complete stop. While rolling....no problem. Is that normal?

BTW - is anyone else using a Driven gear shift lever? It's titanium, light as a feather, and seems to be of great quality. I just put one on yesterday and the feel is outstanding. With some soft shoes on I could actually feel the gears changing from first to second. I never felt zip with the stocker.

Post by **Mr. Wibbens** » 02:59 pm Feb 09 2011

Mine takes just the right amount of pressure but it'll go, eventually

Try giving the throttle a little blip as you are shifting

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 03:05 pm Feb 09 2011

Mr. Wibbens wrote:Mine takes just the right amount of pressure but it'll go, eventually

Try giving the throttle a little blip as you are shifting

I have, but no luck. I'm probably just having a moron moment!

Post by **Mr. Wibbens** » 03:28 pm Feb 09 2011

also make sure your clutch is adjusted properly

On mine it's always been a very fine adjustment, you gotta get it just right

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 03:31 pm Feb 09 2011

Mr. Wibbens wrote:also make sure your clutch is adjusted properly

On mine it's always been a very fine adjustment, you gotta get it just right

Roger that, thanks. I've been doubtful of the clutch cable. I might just get a new one.

gregp · Post by **gregp** » 05:35 pm Feb 09 2011

Or try a DR650 clutch lever. I have one on my H series KDX. The pull is a little stiffer, but the disengagement is quicker and more complete.

rbates9 · Post by **rbates9** » 06:20 pm Feb 09 2011

If you have the manual look for the clutch shim adjustment part. On the plunger under the cover is a washer or two, maybe none. The test has to do with the angle of the external clutch arm. Mine was hard to find neutral and I ended up taking out a shim / washer.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » 12:34 am Feb 14 2011

Mine has the same problem, pretty big time. I'm going to pull it apart and have a look-see at the basket. Where did you get the Driven gear shift lever?

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 07:26 am Feb 14 2011

rbates9 wrote:If you have the manual look for the clutch shim adjustment part. On the plunger under the cover is a washer or two, maybe none. The test has to do with the angle of the external clutch arm. Mine was hard to find neutral and I ended up taking out a shim / washer.

Still trying to get a manual. Thanks for the input.

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 07:30 am Feb 14 2011

turtle wrote:Mine has the same problem, pretty big time. I'm going to pull it apart and have a look-see at the basket. Where did you get the Driven gear shift lever?

On eBay. Here's a current listing from the same seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DRIVEN-F ... 3f062aeee6

It took a while to ship b/c of a problem at the supplier, but the seller stayed in contact with me and then refunded the shipping costs b/c of the wait. I am very satisfied with the shifter.

Post by **Julien D** » 08:25 am Feb 14 2011

Dang, that shifter is kinda sexy.

As far as neutral, yeah it's a pain on mine too. I find it easier when running ATF though :). Sometimes take a little blip of throttle like Wibby said.

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 09:01 am Feb 14 2011

juliend wrote:Dang, that shifter is kinda sexy.

As far as neutral, yeah it's a pain on mine too. I find it easier when running ATF though :). Sometimes take a little blip of throttle like Wibby said.

The Driven shifter has awesome feel. It transfers the feel of the transmission to your foot with a soft type of shoe on. I could actually feel the gears meshing. Never felt that with the stocker.

I just changed to running ATF type F. The previous owner had some kind of oil in it (nasty), so I'm running this batch of ATF for three rides, then I'm changing it again. I'm still trying the third gear/release/rev trick to see if it frees it up. Supposedly, this clutch was just rebuilt before I bought it. It doesn't slip at all, so I have no reason to doubt him. I guess I need to keep making adjustments to find the best one. No issues shifting or finding neutral when rolling though. I've found neutral several times when I didn't want it! lol

Post by **scheckaet** » 10:24 am Feb 14 2011

jad628 wrote:
rbates9 wrote:If you have the manual look for the clutch shim adjustment part. On the plunger under the cover is a washer or two, maybe none. The test has to do with the angle of the external clutch arm. Mine was hard to find neutral and I ended up taking out a shim / washer.
Still trying to get a manual. Thanks for the input.

you can get the manual online, top left of this site for the H and top right for the E. It's worth it price and you don't have to wait

Post by **scheckaet** » 10:28 am Feb 14 2011

I found that different oil will give you different feel. I used to find neutral a lot while going from 1st to 2nd, I changed to a different oil and it never happened again.
Hopefully that atf will clean the crap that was in there and solve the problem.

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 11:48 am Feb 14 2011

scheckaet wrote:
jad628 wrote:
rbates9 wrote:If you have the manual look for the clutch shim adjustment part. On the plunger under the cover is a washer or two, maybe none. The test has to do with the angle of the external clutch arm. Mine was hard to find neutral and I ended up taking out a shim / washer.
Still trying to get a manual. Thanks for the input.
you can get the manual online, top left of this site for the H and top right for the E. It's worth it price and you don't have to wait

Thanks for the info. When the next off-duty check hits the account I'm gonna purchase the lifetime version.

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 11:50 am Feb 14 2011

scheckaet wrote:I found that different oil will give you different feel. I used to find neutral a lot while going from 1st to 2nd, I changed to a different oil and it never happened again.
Hopefully that atf will clean the crap that was in there and solve the problem.

That's my hope with the ATF. Actually I plan to run it all the time, but I figured changing it several times in quick succession would help to clean out the grunge.

BobbyZ · Post by **BobbyZ** » 12:50 am Feb 15 2011

I love the looks of that shifter,sadly though I've never had any luck with aftermarket ones.I just destroy them

what is the spline area made from?I'd like to hear how it works out for you

jad628 · Post by **jad628** » 09:11 am Feb 15 2011

BobbyZ wrote:I love the looks of that shifter,sadly though I've never had any luck with aftermarket ones.I just destroy them what is the spline area made from?I'd like to hear how it works out for you

It's supposed to be titanium. I can tell you it is extremely light, but appears to be very well made. The transmission of the vibrations from the gears is somewhat surprising. So far, I give it high marks, but longevity would take me a while to confirm since I am not riding as much as many do here.

Post by **scheckaet** » 10:41 am Feb 15 2011

MSR makes one similar

chadr · Post by **chadr** » 03:11 pm Feb 15 2011

jad628 wrote:Okay, I've seen enough threads to know that KDXes will likely have some clutch drag (mine does), but I simply cannot get mine in neutral when in gear AFTER coming to a complete stop. While rolling....no problem. Is that normal?

My very little experience in this area... It was damn near impossible to get the bike in neutral after coming to a complete stop. While rolling, not a problem. Removed clutch basket and filed down the ridges. It took a lot of filing and I am certainly well past the recommended clearance. I didn't touch the inner groves that grip the clutch plates, just the fingers on the basket. I can now get into neutral without much hassle when stopped.

I don't see how clutch cable adjustment comes into play unless it it is not applying the needed presssure to let the clutch disengage.

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